is it possible to zone upstairs/downstairs

[soccercelt]

I have a 2400sq ft house, 3 beds, bathroom,ensuite upstairs and same downstairs with living room, dining kitchen. I have a 30kw stove along with an oil burner for my heating. Gravity feed opened system. Is it possible i could zone downstairs and upstairs for my different heating needs. Wife and kids will spend most of the day downstairs and instead of running about turning rads of and on every day is it possible i could install something that will just make the heating heat downstairs then when needed, turn it on for upstairs.

Someone mentioned it can be done but ill need stats up and downstairs. If so, how do these work and whats involved in the install.

 

[Best]

Why not?

Plastic pipes can’t take direct excess heat that solid fuel stoves will put out.
Especially true when you have an overheat situation (say a power fail) with plenty of very hot water needing to go to heat leaks.

 

[Dkdc71]

My personal preference as regards plastic piping I was trained using copper only plastic piping we would use was hydradare for water mains only time I would use plastic piping is on domestic plumbing for spots I couldnt get copper to.any heating pipework I use copper even if the original pipework was plastic

 

[SimonG]

I won't feed the troll anymore.

 

[soccercelt]

I won't feed the troll anymore.

I will update this later with more pics and explain where everything is.

 

[soccercelt]

Plastic pipes can’t take direct excess heat that solid fuel stoves will put out.
Especially true when you have an overheat situation (say a power fail) with plenty of very hot water needing to go to heat leaks.

What I was of the thinking was, they can't take direct heat so close to the burner or stove. From this stove, your talking 9m linear away from the cylinder.

Back when I built this hpuse, it worked out cheaper for plastic and oil was cheap. Now that I'm upgrading my heating, I can't go replacing all pipes around the house. Talked to numerous plumbers/heating engineers and they all say the stove can be installed along with the oil system if done in plastic.

 

[Dkdc71]

I understand what your saying you don't have to change pipework you are just retro-fitting .the stove the same way if you called me in to fit it I couldn't change all pipework in the original house I would just use copper from the stove we're just trying to help you do it safe and right remember we are looking at this blind and just trying to get a picture in our heads

 

[SimonG]

Well You've been talking to some real feckwits then.

 

[soccercelt]

I understand what your saying you don't have to change pipework you are just retro-fitting .the stove the same way if you called me in to fit it I couldn't change all pipework in the original house I would just use copper from the stove we're just trying to help you do it safe and right remember we are looking at this blind and just trying to get a picture in our heads

I totally understand and appreciate it. Im looking to find out how best to zone it of it can be done because don't want to be heating upstairs when not needed or running about turning rads on and off. Now I'm abit worried it's done wrong and can be dangerous.

 

[Dkdc71]

SimonG I think he means connect the stove pipework in copper and do connections in hot press and the existing pipework after the cylinder sounds like the rads are fed in qaulpex that's what I make of it but if he has a plumber doing the work he should be able to answer all this for him

 

[SimonG]

SimonG I think he means connect the stove pipework in copper and do connections in hot press and the existing pipework after the cylinder sounds like the rads are fed in qaulpex that's what I make of it but if he has a plumber doing the work he should be able to answer all this for him

If!

 

[Best]

I don’t think the OP is using a plumber.
Normally getting an experienced solid fuel installer in, - they would ultimately decide how to pipe and link up the two boilers.
I know I would.

 

[soccercelt]

I don’t think the OP is using a plumber.
Normally getting an experienced solid fuel installer in, - they would ultimately decide how to pipe and link up the two boilers.
I know I would.

I can guarantee that I'm getting a plumber in. Do you think I'd put my family's life at risk for the sake of saving a few quid, not a chance! I'm well capable of piping out a full home but when it comes to stoves and burners, I would get a plumber in.

 

[soccercelt]

Well You've been talking to some real feckwits then.

Can you tell me why.

 

[soccercelt]

SimonG I think he means connect the stove pipework in copper and do connections in hot press and the existing pipework after the cylinder sounds like the rads are fed in qaulpex that's what I make of it but if he has a plumber doing the work he should be able to answer all this for him

Yes, that's what I said above. All pipe work from stove to cylinder will be in copper and leaving the cylinder in copper for 2meters then all pipes to rads in plastic. All pipewpipe leaving the oil burner is in copper for 2m also.

 

[SimonG]

Still haven't answered how you are connecting the two systems.

 

[SimonG]

I can guarantee that I'm getting a plumber in. Do you think I'd put my family's life at risk for the sake of saving a few quid, not a chance! I'm well capable of piping out a full home but when it comes to stoves and burners, I would get a plumber in.

Well you are not capable, otherwise you wouldn't be on a forum asking bow to create zones.

 

[Best]

Plastic pipes can still be damaged with excessively hot water, even if first few metres are done in copper.
If you can pipe a house easily, then you can pipe a stove link up fairly easily IF you know a safe and correct method.
If you are getting a plumber in, then just let them get on with it if they are experienced in solid fuel link ups.
But if your plumber is dithering on how to do any of it, then just get somebody else

 

[soccercelt]

Well you are not capable, otherwise you wouldn't be on a forum asking bow to create zones.

What are you even talking about

 

[soccercelt]

Plastic pipes can still be damaged with excessively hot water, even if first few metres are done in copper.
If you can pipe a house easily, then you can pipe a stove link up fairly easily IF you know a safe and correct method.
If you are getting a plumber in, then just let them get on with it if they are experienced in solid fuel link ups.
But if your plumber is dithering on how to do any of it, then just get somebody else

Any chance you read the thread. I came here asking about zoning. I know I could pipe a stove but I wouldn't do it in case there's something I missed and the fact, it's illegal. The plumber isn't dithering, it's getting done in stages because I don't need the stove on untill winter.

 

[rpm]

Oh! A popcorn worthy thread, haven`t had one for a while.

 

[Dkdc71]

To answer your question,your plumber should be able to tell you about Zoning not asking here we can't see it but we are trying to picture the job ,he is there he can tell you we are trying to help to be honest we would have the stove in working and finished quicker then this post is taking just leave it to your plumber

 

[SimonG]

Engineer!

 

[soccercelt]

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If a house was already plumbed in plastic and they wanting a stove upgrade, how would you upgrade it without ripping all plastic out.

 

[soccercelt]

Engineer!

Just to answer this again, I will not be installing this stove. 3 reasons why, i would not put my families life in danger because i dont know much about stoves and i know, if plumbed incorrectly, they can explode! Secondly its illegal! Thirdly i own a 250 thousand pound house and if there was ever an explosion because of a faulty installed stove, my insurance will be void!

Now can you answer me this question instead of always swerving it. Are you telling me that it is not possible for a stove to be plumbed to the cylinder in copper with 2 meters leaving the cylinder into plastic to feed the rads and hot water. Remember, its a long enough run from the stove to cylinder. If it cant, WHY not .

Are you also saying that a pipe cant leave the stove, go down under the floor and up the wall, if so WHY.

 

[rpm]

250 thousand pound house eh, just sold a 2 bed flat for that.

And if I may, I believe your tone in your posts here have put people off helping.
If a member helping you has the Green Trusted badge then TRUST THEM!

 

[Best]

The return pipe CAN be put lower than stove and back up to it, but only if it has correct fall - therefore carefully installed. Not sure why though it was installed like that from above.

 

[SimonG]

O here we go, billy big balls 250grand house owned outright is alot of money where i come from and again, no need to throw the thread on a different direction.

What approach would that be. I came to ask about can i zone the house into 2 sections and its spiraled somewhere else. I ask questions and they dont get answered. Ill ask you the same question since this is what a forum is for,

Now can you answer me this question instead of always swerving it. Are you telling me that it is not possible for a stove to be plumbed to the cylinder in copper with 2 meters leaving the cylinder into plastic to feed the rads and hot water. Remember, its a long enough run from the stove to cylinder. If it cant, WHY not .

Are you also saying that a pipe cant leave the stove, go down under the floor and up the wall, if so WHY.

Why not just ask your plumber, Richard Cranium.

It's obvious you have no interest in receiving the correct information with regard to the twinning of a stove with an oil boiler and it's impacts on your hot water and heating system.

Your problem is far more basic than zoning or stove install.

It's all about having the grace and lack of ego to accept it and listen to people who know and do this for a living.

 

[soccercelt]

The return pipe CAN be put lower than stove and back up to it, but only if it has correct fall - therefore carefully installed. Not sure why though it was installed like that from above.

The main thing, is it safe. There is a fall in the pipe.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Closed and sorry lads